Poems With Pete

hehe,

"combined Chinese lesson and Zen meditation"

hear,hear.So let's have another call for season 2 of PWP.

Unless... there's Chinese History with Pete... Chinese Buddhism with Pete... Modern Chinese History with Pete... 

Texts and dialogues scripted specifically for language learners to use in practical situations only do become rather sterile and unappealing after a while, no matter how well written they may be.

As a poetry lover in English, German and Russian, I thought that Poems With Pete was one of the aspects of ChinesePod that made it superior to other language learning methods.

Hopefully after a brief hiatus we will see a return of PWP. Looking forward to our next poem!

Also voting for the return of Poems with Pete. Made me remember one of the reasons why I started to study Chinese many years ago. Inclusion of modern poems - any period - would be a welcome addition.

Add my voice to the clamor for more PWP.  I always enjoy the more culture-focused and historical lessons, and I love both the poems and Pete's glosses on them-- it's a very accessible introduction.

Poems with Pete 万岁!!

I'm only an elementary level and lots of the PWP stuff is way over my head...BUT I enjoyed it tremendously anyways because it gave me insight into the chinese culture and language...please bring PWP back soon!

If not, there may be riots in the streets!!! :)

Poems with Pete is a great show; please keep it coming! 

I thought "Poems with Pete" was (is?) an excellent show!  Usually Chinese poetry is inaccessible to most non-native speakers, but this show gave a nice window into an important part of Chinese culture.  So I would also vote for more "Poems with Pete".

Here you have another vote.

But to be even more precise, I want back my "Poems with Pete annotated by Changye".

Yes we want  “PWPP”- Poems with Passionate Pete Season 2!

PWP was one of “the breakthrough” shows that Cpod has came up with for the users.  It is amazing how this show gave us access to learning and even enjoying something that was so intimidating- Chinese Poetry.  

I highly appreciate this show since I have studied Chinese poetry before (well, more of just memorizing them actually) - I miss how Pete explains them intricately word per word and their relevance of these age-old poems in present society.

Okay, my turn.  I want PWP back!

That being said, I don't know why the series was put on hiatus.  Perhaps Pete got burned out.  If that is the case, some other new series related to culture might be the kind of fresh start Cpod needs.  I would also swoon if there was something about philosophy. 

But yeah, if possible, bring back PWP!

I'm a huge fan of Poems with Pete, and would love to see another series here on Chinesepod. The sheer cultural and historical depth, imaginative richness and linguistic pleasure of the show bring something unique - a dash of the 香料 that Calkins mentions - to Chinesepod.

One thing that I have found enormously stimulating about PWP is that it has taken listeners far beyond the pragmatic, functional approach to language that one usually encounters in language learning resources. Of course, the pragmatic, functional, everyday stuff is immensely important too, but there is more to language than this, so shows like PWP provide a superb counter-balance. The show has not only opened up enormously fascinating cultural and historial vistas, but it has also given me a much more nuanced and historically rich sense of the Chinese language.

While I'm on the subject, I'm with Miantiao as well. As a philosopher of sorts by training, a philosophy show would make me go weak at the knees. (Just think of the pleasures that could come from discussing the thorny old philosophical proposition: 白马非马...)

All the best,

Will

I am also missing Poems with Pete. Although I am still at the Elementary level, I believe in language learning thru immersion and am never afraid to listen to recordings above my level because I believe that even when you don't understand every word or phrase it still 'conditions' the mind for the higher levels of the language.

Also, as a long time learner of languages, I appreciate the difference between dialogues and texts that are scripted for learners, and real texts that are written for native speakers.

PWP gave us both a higher standard of language to aim for, and also added a nice cultural element to it as well.

Bring back PWP!!

I agree with many of the comments here, especially with miantiao and mikeinewshot.  I would love to see PWP return as well as an additional program on culture.  I have to admit, it has been a bit boring (as well as a bit weird) around here lately.

The lessons of course are great, but we also need some 香料 so it doesn't get so 無聊！

I would also really love to see some modern poems in PWP二 (perhaps solely dedicated to modern ones).  Also, some love poems...after all, it is what makes the world go 'round!

@miantiao, I'm glad you answered that, because I honestly don't know.  Actually, like Bodawei, I've read that it referred to the 战国; however, your 春秋 makes much more sense.

That said, does anyone know if it was written during that time or at a later time, referring the 春秋/战国。

nah mate, but it does represent the open discourse of the period,  a time of freedom of expression and thought as yet unsurpassed.

the schools of thought from the period would make for a great series of lessons. no doubt the discussion following would also be very interesting.

now some may argue that if that is what people are interested in they should simply buy a book.

well, the same could be said for food and just about every other lesson topic.

我认为Hundred Flowers Bloom对春秋时代提到了，可是请问一下，什么时候这个诗写好了？

I understand it is an allusion to that warring states Period but when was the poem actually written, do you know?  (Excuse the Chinglish)

hey bodawei

就在春秋时代出现了

@tvan

百花齐放，
百家争鸣.

indeed - any idea what period this originated in, before Mao whipped it into his nation-building back-pack of handy sayings? 

Yes, could Poems with Pete return, I really enjoyed the memories that it stirred from my time studying Classical Chinese at Uni, just last year. There are so many more, that could be brought to the community.

Qingshan

哎呦！这个‘哎哟’的词语传染到我了，我都怪我女友，收到他的坏影响，妈的！看样子我快要成女人家似的， 哎哟！

哎哟！肚子饿了，好的，那么，明天就开始吧！

非有poems with pete不可，我从此就要绝食，给你们看看有一点颜色，千万不要轻易对待学生的力量！

反抗极端权威！

大家一起来吹牛皮！

If more modern poetry/culture can also be included then I will also add my voice. Poems with Pete was/is undeniably great stuff, pete's learning and his love for poetry and culture was/is wonderful, but let's face it, if your Chinese is less than upper intermediate level, it is/was pretty difficult to get a handle on.

I second Changye's vote for 毛泽东's poems or other poems of the Communist period.  Perhaps they are not as deep as the Tang dynasty's poetry.  However, their cultural significance is undeniable

百花齐放，
百家争鸣.

bǎi huā qífàng,
bǎi jiā zhēngmíng

Let a hundred flowers bloom;
let a hundred schools (of thought) contend.

Couldn't agree more. Bring it back!

I need to sign my name over here too! :) Even though you haven't seen me on boards for a while, I'm still on Cpod:) Am now having a small vacation at home:).

To PWP:)

Cpod is doing a good job, but to be a really competitive Chinese langugae learning source advanced content is needed. Believe me, apart newbies there is a lot of foreigners seeking a way to improve their Mandarin. Moreover, Chinese is not only tones and characters - it is a representation of  a vast, deep and inspiring culture. And this was the job PWP did - these poems were a delight for an advanced learner and in the meanwhile PWP showed a whole new perspective on Chinese language to a newbie/beginner learner. with contribution on the discussion board it was a delight for anybody.

I am asking for more!

And also I am asking for more of advanced content, to be competitive service providing Chinese over the net not only language drills are needed, but also something to chew, think over, digest! Something like PWP.

As well..please notice - PWP also did a great job in improving foreigners opinion about Chinese poetry/culture, discusions gave very deep insights.

And...we shared poems from our countries and views of the multi-national Cpod society. This exchange on such level is hard to get anywhere, PWP made it possible.

I really think, that Pete (pearltowepete) contributed a lot and helped us open our horizons - so why not let him contribute more? Why not let him work and continue his great educational work on CPod. People like him are rare.

Yes, dear Praxis Language, Cpod part - bring PWP back.

bendidelaowai/Christine

If "once a week" schedule is too much for Chinesepod manpower, "twice a month" would be OK for me. How about featuring a modern poem for a change? For example, I'd like to listen to Mao ze Dong's poems! I hear 毛泽东 was good at making poems.

Yes I would like to see more about Chinese culture as a supplement to the lessons.  Otherwise this place could become just too serious and ?boring.

After all churning out lesson after lesson after lesson after lesson adding to thousands of lessons after lesson ....  can sap the enthusiasm...

哈哈 废话！语言不是代表文化呢？

@miantiao, and to master a language you must also master it's culture.  

poems with pete provides a literary element to the site which in my own personal view is essential in order for students to gain insights into the logic of chinese thought. chinese literature and philosophy is largely implicit,what is not said is far more important than what is said. this is also conveyed in everyday conversation.

I'd like to see a return of pete's program. and perhaps a program that also canvasses chinese philosophy.

even a rudimentary understanding will aid any learner in their pursuit to master one of the most complex, multi-layered, and rich languages in the world.

more PWP please!

Let me add a resounding "yes" to the proposal to bring back Poems with Pete. His analysis was always refreshing and provided great insight into some of the key ideas of Chinese culture as reflected in China's poetic tradition.  The feature was unique as well--not something one gets at other Chinese language sites.  I savored each of his episodes as a special treat and am "hungry" for more.

(prescription drugs are good, as in comparable to PWP ...?  what am I missing ...?)

Pearltower Pete opened the door to a Golden Age of classical Chinese poetry. He ushered us in to a world so fine we could hardly breathe with excitement, waiting for the next instalment.  Better than prescription drugs.  

How many more old poets are out there, having failed their Imperial exams and wandered in the countryside for ten years before settling down in an old grass hut beside a misty lake to drink away his sorrows?

Come on Pete, there are 50,000 poems to go; you can do it!

Yes I agree too and I hope it returns

Yes please, bring it back! It`s been too long without PWP.

It may be repeating to say, but also I wish Poems with Pete into a new season. I can hardly imagine anybody other than Pete having such a flow in reading, translating and explaining a poem. Whereas with flow I refer to the highest achievable artistic level, when your mind joins with your instrument.

Poems with Pete Season 1 was a wonderful experience not only for myself but also for my wife who was looking forward hearing and reciting the latest poem.

Matthiask

I too miss Poems With Pete a lot, and would like to see Season II soon!  PWP was a real treat for us, and like I've said before I felt like a lot of diversity on the boards here sort of went out with the final episode of Season I.

These lessons were something unique,and the discussions that ensued were amongst the best on this site.I think it appeals to the better part of our nature too.

Baba--同意！

One more here for a come back for Poems with Pete (More poems with Pete?!).

My language learning motivation is a bit flat at the moment and could do with Pete's particular brand of intellectualism to look forward to every week.

Actually my subscription expires in a week.  Any chance of Chinesepod giving us their intentions in the next News and Features?

judycarruth,

Hear,hear.I completely agree it's time we had Poems with Pete back for season 2.That was an amazing series that left us all wanting more as shown by the many requests here [and elsewhere if I recall rightly] in the final lesson.Pete opened a door to such a beautiful part of the Chinese culture that is otherwise inaccessible for most of us,and did it in such a professional and engaging way.I would ponder these poems for a whole week until the next one came along.I really enjoyed the beauty of the poems but also that it was so thought provoking.These lessons were something unique,and the discussions that ensued were amongst the best on this site.I think it appeals to the better part of our nature too.So please bring back Poems with Pete,season 2 before too long.

I am a newbie and I found poems with pete very educational, even at my level. Like the history channel it made things I could never get from a book interesting and understandable. I was sad to see it go.

Hi tvan and rjverki

I agree with you guys. I've never seen such a come-in-handy show on Chinese poetry that provide you with recitings, texts, helpful explanations and a lot of interesting Q and A in the forums.

Honestly, I tried to "learn" classical Chinese poems several times before without success, because just reading books such as "唐诗三百首" by myself was NOT so entertaining, on the contrary rather boring.

The best thing about "Poems with Pete" is that even newbie and elementary learners can enjoy Chinese poems by listening to poems and knowing how ancient Chinese poets thought and felt. 

With Poem with Pete, you can enjoy great Chinese poems by 杜甫 or 李白 even without knowing about classical Chinese grammar and vocaburary. I just hope the show will come back soon!

Poems with Pete opened a world otherwise unaccessible to me. I found it rich in culture, history, language learning, and at the same time romantic and entertaining. Pete is so in his element here, and his love for the Chinese language and culture was so contagious.

They promised us a "season two" if and when - how about it? Im sure Pete is willing, lets bring it back. If you would like to see season 2, please speak up.

judycarruth, I freely confess that I never read English (my native tongue) poetry and absolutely do not understand Chinese poetry unless led via nose ring.

Nevertheless, I miss Poems With Pete for that very reason.  It's a part of Chinese culture that isn't accessible to me.