tone marks for phrase "nali you"
meir
May 02, 2010 at 10:08 PM posted in General DiscussionWhen asking about where something is (directions), my book , which never uses tone marks has it as 那里 有.
When I looked up 那里 on nciku it lists it as both
nǎli and nàli. Which tones for nali would be the correct ones in this case (3rd tone or 4th tone)? Is 有 3rd tone (yǒu) like the normal case of the verb to have?
the same goes for saying "over there" listed as
在 那里. I don't know what tones to use for "nali" in that case either : ((
meir
May 10, 2010 at 01:17 PM
From what I have been able to gather, Eliza's answer seems to be on the mark. Thanks, Eliza and everyone else for answering!
matthewrudy
May 03, 2010 at 10:31 AM
And lots of people seem to say 《那》 as "nei".
Recently I always seem to say "nei ge", "zhei ge" and "na ge" for 《那个》，《这个》 and 《哪个》
suansuanru
May 04, 2010 at 04:38 AM
>When a Chinese character has a few readings, colloquial one tend to have double vowels
Interesting!
and i think 色shai3 is a 方言词. The people who live in south china only say it in色子.
and when speak of薄,this character 很麻烦,I am sure even chinese people feel hard to decide how to read it correctly in different context.
changye
May 03, 2010 at 01:42 PM
When a Chinese character has a few readings, colloquial one tend to have double vowels, for example, “色” (se4, shai3), 得 (de2, dei3) and “薄” (bo2, bao2). I guess there might be a similar logic behind “那” (na4, nei4). In other words, double vowels are easier to recognize and pronounce （= 顺口） in conversation. Just a thought.
changye
May 03, 2010 at 12:13 PM
I hear that “那个” (nei4ge) is short for “那一个” (na4 yi2 ge). The same is true for “这个” (zhei4ge) and “哪个” (nei3ge).
suansuanru
May 03, 2010 at 11:32 AM
i guess you live in the North China.
Beijing hua speaks"nei ge"and "zhei ge".
changye
May 03, 2010 at 04:37 AM
Hi mer6
Both are correct, but in modern Chinese only "那" (na4) is used. “那” (na3) was used instead of “哪” (na3) in classical Chinese in the past.
elizaeggie
May 02, 2010 at 10:28 PM
From my understanding (also being a newbie), nǎ, third tone, is the question word "where", and nà, fourth tone, means "over there". And I believe yǒu will still be third tone.
Hopefully someone more knowledgable can confirm. :)
suansuanru
May 03, 2010 at 11:40 AM
yes,but nǎ lǐ(哪里) will change to ná lí if followed by "yǒu"(yǒu need not to change.)
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