Grammar Comment - The ba form (from a newbie)
Hi - I'm a newbie and I'm having trouble undertsanding the 'ba' form, such as when you change from:
Subj + Verb + Obj
Subj + "ba" + Obj + Verb (+ particle or whatever)
What is the difference between:
wo che cha le
wo ba cha che le?
Any help would be appreciated! Thanks
jckeithMay 29, 2009, 10:04 PM
Here are a couple of links which I've found pretty helpful.
That being said, I'm still a little confused about it myself. Frankly, I have yet to encounter a sentence that couldn't be expressed without 把 (ba), and nobody has given me a compelling reason to use it. Also, there is a lesson here at ChinesePod about it. Hope this helps.
tingyunMay 30, 2009, 01:36 AM
Hey guys - my rough memory is that its required to use this construction in some circumstances. One example is when you have a directional compliment at the end, like chu1lai2. So, say you wanted to say take the receipt out (like, out of your pocket). You'd say:
ni3 ba3 fa1piao4 na2 chu1lai2.
You couldn't say:
XXX ni3 na2 fa1piao4 chu1lai2 XXX
Or , say you wanted to say, place that on top. You'd say
Ni3 ba3 zhe4ge4 fang4 zai4 shang4 mian4
You couldn't say
XXX Ni3 fang4 zhe4ge4 zai4 shang4mian4.XXX
I think there are similar rules for other situations, though I can't remember any specifically at the moment. I usually just think of it as, if I'm throwing some complex stuff at the end of the sentence explaining what I'm doing with the object, I better use ba3.