phonetic map : 魏 wei

goulnik
 December 06, 2008 at 09:46 AM posted in General Discussion

@ 魏

wei
  魏 Wèi (name of several dynasties) **
 巍 wēi lofty; towering
崔巍 cuīwēi ∼


** 魏 has 鬼(gui) as phonetic, see 鬼 map

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goulnik
 December 06, 2008 at 05:00 PM

maybe, may be not. I haven't done 委 (wei) yet, but it does seem extremely consistent.

since we don't know for sure and this is a learning aid rather than linguistic research, I will follow your advice and move them all to the  委 map.

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changye
 December 06, 2008 at 12:40 PM

Maybe the phonetic part of “魏” is “委” (wei3), but not “鬼”, and “魏” itself is not a phonetic part. Actually it's not so easy to determine which is the phonetic part of 魏, 委 or 鬼. Consonantwise, I still think 委 is closer to 魏 than 鬼 is. 

魏 ŋiwei > ŋiwei > wei > wei (wei)
委  iwei >  iwe >  wi > wei (wei)
鬼 kiwei > kiwei > kwei > kwei (gui)